Hive Casino - Revision history

Charlie: /* Hive Casino */

2024-04-26T22:06:01Z

‎Hive Casino

Rollin340: /* Casino : Token Exchange */

2018-01-16T06:51:46Z

‎Casino : Token Exchange

Dante at 17:16, 23 September 2012

2012-09-23T17:16:24Z

Codehydro: /* Rat Racing */

2011-04-29T15:43:03Z

‎Rat Racing

Codehydro: /* High/Low Cards */

2011-04-29T15:40:23Z

‎High/Low Cards

Codehydro: /* Slot Machines */

2011-04-29T15:34:42Z

‎Slot Machines

Codehydro: /* Rat Racing */

2011-04-28T13:07:34Z

‎Rat Racing

Codehydro: /* Rat Racing */

2011-04-28T02:20:02Z

‎Rat Racing

Codehydro: /* Old slot payouts */ finally done recalculating the probability table...

2011-04-28T00:05:24Z

‎Old slot payouts: finally done recalculating the probability table...

Codehydro: /* The undocumented mechanic */ shorten section title

2011-04-27T16:31:55Z

‎The undocumented mechanic: shorten section title

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 * Rat Racing
 * Hive Lottery
-* Casino Shop
+* [[Casino Shop]]
 == Casino : Token Exchange ==

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 == Casino : Token Exchange ==
 [[File:Token_exchange.PNG|thumb|Token Exchange]]
-Here you can trade 15 credits for 1 token (10 credits for [[Subscriptions | subscribers]]). It's costly, but if you're nearing the amount of tokens you need for a specific item then it may come in handy. You can purchase anywhere from 5 to 500 tokens at once.
+Here you can trade 15 credits for 1 token (10 credits with Token Boost active). It's costly, but if you're nearing the amount of tokens you need for a specific item then it may come in handy. You can purchase anywhere from 5 to 500 tokens at once.
-In the past, tokens cost 25c for non-subscribers and 20c for subscriber. The prices were reduced on the 6<sup>th</sup> of August 2009, due to a suggestion in the forums.
+In the past, tokens cost 25c for non-subscribers, and 20c for subscribers. The prices were reduced on the 6<sup>th</sup> of August 2009, due to a suggestion in the forums.
 ==Player rankings and accomplishments==

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 == Hive Casino ==
 The casino is one of the fun places to visit in the hive. Whatever happens, you will always have a chance at winning/losing tokens. You get 50/75/100 (Depends on whether you have a Silver or Gold Card) free tokens daily so it's always worth a shot. Remember, if you already have 50 tokens or more, you do not get any more the next day.
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 == Casino : Token Exchange ==
+[[File:Token_exchange.PNG|thumb|Token Exchange]]
 Here you can trade 15 credits for 1 token (10 credits for [[Subscriptions | subscribers]]). It's costly, but if you're nearing the amount of tokens you need for a specific item then it may come in handy. You can purchase anywhere from 5 to 500 tokens at once.

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 |[[Image:rat_rocket.gif]] || Rocket Rat || Some call it cheating, others call it amusement. The rat doesn't have to survive. || 648/1649 || 28 Apr 2010
 |-
-||[[Image:rat_blue.gif]] || Zorg Junior || Watch out for the blur of blue as this rat races past. ||  532/1593 || 28 Apr 2011
+||[[Image:rat_blue.gif]] || Zorg Junior || Watch out for the blur of blue as this rat races past. ||  532/1594 || 29 Apr 2011
 |-
-|[[Image:rat_robo.gif]] || Robo-Rat || The product of years of wasted time, the remote control rat. || 508/1601 || 28 Apr 2011
+|[[Image:rat_robo.gif]] || Robo-Rat || The product of years of wasted time, the remote control rat. || 509/1603 || 29 Apr 2011
 |-
-|[[Image:rat_brown.gif]] || Where He Go || A fast rat on the race course, the problem is catching it after. || 425/1622 || 28 Apr 2011
+|[[Image:rat_brown.gif]] || Where He Go || A fast rat on the race course, the problem is catching it after. || 425/1624 || 29 Apr 2011
 |-
-|[[Image:rat_brown.gif]] || Road Kill || He may only have 3 legs, but he sure can hop like a kangaroo. || 292/1440 || 10 Nov 2010
+|[[Image:rat_brown.gif]] || Road Kill || He may only have 3 legs, but he sure can hop like a kangaroo. || 337/1638 || 29 Apr 2011
 |-
 |[[Image:rat_yellow.gif]] || Old Sparky || Magnetically charged this rat glows yellow with electricity. || 248/1636|| 27 Apr 2011
 |-
-|[[Image:rat_black.gif]] || Hamster in Disguise || Speed and agility are good descriptive words. But not for this rodent. || 147 / 1640 || 28 Apr 2011
+|[[Image:rat_black.gif]] || Hamster in Disguise || Speed and agility are good descriptive words. But not for this rodent. || 147/1640 || 29 Apr 2011
 |}

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 When guessing properly, one may expect to win just over once per three games. With the current 3:2 payout, the average rate of return while card counting comes out to 84.54 percent of tokens spent. Because of the low average rate of return, the game is generally only played with higher bets since streaks of luck may best defy the law of averages when fewer hands are dealt. Additionally, betting an odd number of tokens will cheat the player of 0.5 tokens per win since the 3:2 payout always rounds down.
-Historically, the payout used to be 2:1 until it was reduced to the current ratio. The former payout actually made it possible to attain 101.5 percent in average returns, meaning the casino would '''lose''' tokens on average if players guessed properly. Even though the payout has long since been reduced, the game description still says incorrectly that one can "win double your bet" (this may change after a ticket that [[User:CodeHydro|CodeHydro]] posted just before writing this). The 2:1 payout was available for at least a couple of years.
+Historically, the payout used to be 2:1 until it was reduced to the current ratio. The former payout actually made it possible to attain 101.5 percent in average returns, meaning the casino would '''lose''' tokens on average if players guessed properly. Years after the payout had been reduced, the game description still said incorrectly that one could "win double your bet" until ticketed by [[User:CodeHydro|CodeHydro]]. The 2:1 payout was available for at least a couple of years.
 == Rat Racing ==

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 == Slot Machines ==
-<!--Note: Unless where marked by a ~, the numbers in these tables are exact. There is no statistical error.-->
+<!--The numbers in these tables are exact (rounded to 5 places). There is no statistical error.-->
 This game was originally just a time passer for those with [[tokens]] to waste since it was virtually impossible to gain any worthwhile profit. However, since October 2010, the rate of return has been greatly increased so that it is now possible, with a little luck and strategy, to gain a significant profit. Nonetheless, the casino would still turn a profit on average even if players used the perfect strategy (as with all the other games).
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 {| border="1" cellspacing="0" valign="middle" cellpadding=3 style="float:left;margin:10px;background-color:#222;border-collapse:collapse;"
 |- align="center" style=";font-size:larger;background-color:#1a1a1a;font-weight:bolder"
-|rowspan=2|Symbol||colspan=2|Chance*||rowspan=2|Payouts*<br/>(three matching)
+|rowspan=2|Symbol||colspan=2|Chance*||rowspan=2|Payouts<br/>(three matching)
 |- align="center" style="background-color: #1a1a1a;font-weight:bolder"
 |per wheel||match all three
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 | align="center" |Nov. 11, 2010 &mdash; present || 6t||180t (29:1)||36t (5:1)||18t (2:1)||9t (1:2)||0.90371||0.87978
 |-
-|colspan="8"|*<small> "Theoretical" payouts are as would be expected from the documentation, while "Actual" are calculated from the exact mechanics.</small>
+|colspan="8"|*<small> "Theoretical" payouts are as would be expected from the documentation, while "Actual" are calculated from the exact mechanics.</small><!--Theoretical numbers based on 4/10, 3/10, etc... actual numbers take into consideration that the programmed odds are 40/101, etc. and the forgotten mechanic while it lasted-->
 |}

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 |[[Image:rat_nippon.gif]]|| [[Nippon]] ||Not a rat, more PaulTech's pet mouse and he is faster than any rat in the hive.|| ? || ?
 |-
-|[[Image:rat_rocket.gif]] || Rocket Rat || Some call it cheating, others call it amusement. The rat doesn't have to survive. || 648/1648 || 27 Apr 2010
+|[[Image:rat_rocket.gif]] || Rocket Rat || Some call it cheating, others call it amusement. The rat doesn't have to survive. || 648/1649 || 28 Apr 2010
 |-
-||[[Image:rat_blue.gif]] || Zorg Junior || Watch out for the blur of blue as this rat races past. ||  532/1592 || 27 Apr 2011
+||[[Image:rat_blue.gif]] || Zorg Junior || Watch out for the blur of blue as this rat races past. ||  532/1593 || 28 Apr 2011
 |-
-|[[Image:rat_robo.gif]] || Robo-Rat || The product of years of wasted time, the remote control rat. || 508/1600 || 27 Apr 2011
+|[[Image:rat_robo.gif]] || Robo-Rat || The product of years of wasted time, the remote control rat. || 508/1601 || 28 Apr 2011
 |-
-|[[Image:rat_brown.gif]] || Where He Go || A fast rat on the race course, the problem is catching it after. || 389/1428 || 11 Nov 2010
+|[[Image:rat_brown.gif]] || Where He Go || A fast rat on the race course, the problem is catching it after. || 425/1621 || 28 Apr 2011
 |-
 |[[Image:rat_brown.gif]] || Road Kill || He may only have 3 legs, but he sure can hop like a kangaroo. || 292/1440 || 10 Nov 2010
 |-
-|[[Image:rat_yellow.gif]] || Old Sparky || Magnetically charged this rat glows yellow with electricity. || 247/1634 || 27 Apr 2011
+|[[Image:rat_yellow.gif]] || Old Sparky || Magnetically charged this rat glows yellow with electricity. || 248 / 1635|| 27 Apr 2011
 |-
-|[[Image:rat_black.gif]] || Hamster in Disguise || Speed and agility are good descriptive words. But not for this rodent. || 125 / 1443 || 11 Nov 2010
+|[[Image:rat_black.gif]] || Hamster in Disguise || Speed and agility are good descriptive words. But not for this rodent. || 146/1639 || 28 Apr 2011
 |}

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 | rowspan="2" | Slot Machines Dates || rowspan="2" | Cost<br/>per Play || colspan="4" | Payouts by Type || colspan="3" | Optimal Return Ratio
 |-align="center" style="background-color: #1a1a1a;font-weight:bolder"
-| 3 x [[File:Slot1.png|20px]] || 3 x [[File:Slot2.png|20px]] ||  3 x [[File:Slot3.png|20px]] || 3 x [[File:Slot4.png|20px]] || Actual || Theoretical
+| 3 x [[File:Slot1.png|20px]] || 3 x [[File:Slot2.png|20px]] ||  3 x [[File:Slot3.png|20px]] || 3 x [[File:Slot4.png|20px]] || Actual* || Theoretical*
 |-align="right"
-| align="center" |Creation &mdash; 2008?||3t||10t (7:3)||8t (5:3)||6t (1:1)||4t (1:3)||?||0.5496928
+| align="center" |Creation &mdash; 2008?||3t||10t (7:3)||8t (5:3)||6t (1:1)||4t (1:3)||0.71179||0.55400
 |-align="right"
-| align="center" |2008? &mdash; Oct. 21, 2010 || 6t||20t (7:3)||16t (5:3)||12t (1:1)||8t (1:3)||?||0.5496928
+| align="center" |2008? &mdash; Oct. 21, 2010 || 6t||20t (7:3)||16t (5:3)||12t (1:1)||8t (1:3)||0.71179||0.55400
 |-align="right"
-| align="center" |Oct. 21, 2010 &mdash; Nov. 9, 2010 || 6t||180t (29:1)||36t (5:1)||18t (2:1)||9t (1:2)||?||0.87927717
+| align="center" |Oct. 21, 2010 &mdash; Nov. 9, 2010 || 6t||180t (29:1)||36t (5:1)||18t (2:1)||9t (1:2)||1.26163||0.87978
 |-align="right"
-| align="center" |Nov. 9, 2010 &mdash; Nov. 11, 2010|| 6t||140t (67:3)||28t (11:3)||14t (4:3)||9t (1:2)||?||0.74826522<span style="text-decoration: overline;">6</span>
+| align="center" |Nov. 9, 2010 &mdash; Nov. 11, 2010|| 6t||140t (67:3)||28t (11:3)||14t (4:3)||9t (1:2)||1.04356||0.74913
 |-align="right"
-| align="center" |Nov. 11, 2010 &mdash; present || 6t||180t (29:1)||36t (5:1)||18t (2:1)||9t (1:2)||colspan="2" align="center"|0.87927717
+| align="center" |Nov. 11, 2010 &mdash; present || 6t||180t (29:1)||36t (5:1)||18t (2:1)||9t (1:2)||0.90371||0.87978
 |}

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-=====The undocumented mechanic=====
+=====Forgotten mechanic=====
 Two days after the payout decrease, Zorg figured out that the problem was due to an undocumented mechanic in the slots. Unlike conventional slot machines, Zorg had originally made it impossible for the same symbol to appear in the same column twice when the column was not held{{--}}figuring that players would want a different symbol if they did not hold it. As such, this greatly increased the chances of matching three symbols on the second round beyond what would have been expected if the second roll were completely random.
 For example, with a roll of [[Image:slot1.png|14px]][[Image:slot4.png|14px]][[Image:slot4.png|14px]], one would may expect that holding the two apples would pay more than holding the seven; after all, it would appear that there is a 40 percent chance to roll one more apple versus a mere 1 percent chance to roll two additional sevens with the stated odds (0.4 x 8 = 3.6 > 0.1 x 0.1 x 180 = 1.8). However, from October 21, 2010 until the mechanic was removed, it would have been better, paradoxically, to hold the seven above the two apples; since the mechanic would prevent the apples from appearing again on the re-roll upon holding the seven, the odds of rolling a seven in each column was 1/6 rather than the expected 1/10.
-After re-discovering the mechanic, Zorg reverted the payout back and simply removed the mechanic{{--}}a move much applauded.
+After re-discovering the mechanic, Zorg reverted the payout back and simply removed the mechanic.
 == Black Jack ==